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And the Oscar goes too? 24

Posted on November 11, 2009 by not-Greg

A very encouraging end to season 2 in my Master League career—which I started with such pomp back in week 1 of PES2010 (and doesn’t that feel like a long time ago now?)—filled me with confidence for season 3. Too much confidence.

I’ll thumbnail today’s post. At the start of season 3 (2011-2012) I drastically overspent in the transfer market. I put the club in so much debt that when it came to Wages Day (at the end of August in the new ML calendar), the notional board took equally drastic measures to rectify things. I lost all of my staff upgrades and some of my best players. As a result of this and several other factors, I’ve decided to start Master League all over again, from scratch. It’s against my tradition, but now that I’ve done it I feel happy.

I don’t know what happened. I don’t know how I got it so badly wrong. I just thought I’d get in a few more players, and ship out a few of the old ones. The old routine. I didn’t think there’d be a problem. Looking back now, I think the new all-year-round negotiations might have led me into danger. There’s a law of some kind that says ‘negotiations expand to fill the time available’. Now that searching and negotiating can be conducted all season long, it might be too easy to go overboard.

Expected Earnings showed me emerging from Wages Day with a positive £600,000 balance. And yet I was being warned, every week, that I was in debt and would need to remedy matters or else they would be remedied for me. I was confused. What to do, what to trust? I trusted Expected Earnings, of course, and it was my downfall.

What was it, a bug? I’m capable of reading numbers on a screen and understanding the difference between positive and negative, and I am 100% sure that Expected Earnings promised me I’d get through Wages day with plenty of room to spare.

Whatever happened, the outcome was pretty catastrophic. I was something like £2,000,000 in debt. The board swung into action. It all goes ahead without any input from you. I had all my backroom staff downgraded to level 1, their starting level. And I had players sold without notice. I could live with the likes of Macco and one or two other Defaulters being sold. But they only raised about £150,000 between them.

My most valuable player was worth a cool £1.2m. That player was Oscar. They sold Oscar too. The bastards got rid of Oscar, the one player I was taking delight in nurturing and developing. The left-footed, play-anywhere midfielder who was holding my team together. My bottom lip quivered…

ML-Season-3-kits

But I carried on. I created new home & away kits, and I just got on with it. I’ve actually been in worse corners in Master League down the years, and come out the other side. I still had some decent players. Those new players who had cost me so much were actually better than Schwarz and Oscar had been. So I could still do things, right?

Form-Arrows-in-ML

No, apparently. The downgrading of my staff seemed to have a palpable effect on the pitch. Suddenly it was like playing in season 1 again, albeit with slightly better players. All the form arrows went back to being blue or purple a lot of the time. Some matches I was forced to play with only a couple of green-arrowed players.

My progress of last season might as well have never happened. I was lucky to get shots. My game was suddenly all over the place. I began to obsess about restarting Master League

There were other factors pointing towards the simple logic of a restart. I’d come to really dislike—bordering on outright hate—the made-up teams in Division 2. I just wasn’t noticing who I was playing from week to week. “Oh, it’s another game against a team called a bunch of random letters…” Yatherplop Unitedpool FC. Rimmagong Athletique. I had thought this was lovable Japanese whimsy. I don’t think that now.

There were other things. It took me a while to fully grasp the ins and outs of the tactical and strategic systems in PES2010. I still haven’t fully grasped them, but I’ve got a good working knowledge now that would make a new ML a lot cleaner, unlike my initial fumbling around in this career. Another thing I regret from my setup was choosing to play English-style one-off cup matches instead of the traditional Master League two-legged affairs. It didn’t feel right, and of course this wasn’t helped by Konami getting things badly wrong by having those cup ties played at a neutral venue (at Wembley Stadium, for God’s sake).

I played as well as I could. I got a few precious wins, but mostly slumped to tame defeats and suffered through tedious 0-0 draws. In truth my motivation had gone. The thought of restarting was just too attractive and wouldn’t leave me alone.

Season-3-table-suspended

And so I’ve decided—that’s it, it’s back to the start for me. It goes against my settled tradition, but so what. I’m setting up a new Master League with a proper array of teams in Division 2. It’ll be super-hard. I’m going to start on Top Player difficulty and leave it there. I’m going to have traditional two-legged Cup ties. I’m impatient to get going. I regard this suspended career as time wasted, really. I’ll hold onto the save file. Possibly I’ll return to it, out of curiousity, at some point in the future.

Before signing off this career, I present one final goal replay from it. Gutierrez, the new superstar of the Defaults, got me a great goal in this accursed season. It had me on my feet and gesticulating at the blank walls. “Ha-haaa! Suck on that, you, you… wall…” The replay shows the standard view and then a slow-mo pitch-level view that beautifully captures the flight of the ball.

PSP-return

Also, popping up after Gutierrez’s goal replays, there’s a bonus item. I have played several matches of my old PES2008(PSP) Master League career, which is now in season 2024. My team of galacticos feels familiar and strange at the same time, thanks to the long breaks between sessions. I should play PES2008(PSP) more: it’s one of the great classic PES games, in my opinion. I rate it above PES6.

The PES2008(PSP) goal on show is a very sharp goal I scored with Del Piero. I had tried to pass to another player completely, but the pass went astray. So far so Pro Evo, hey? Then Del Piero, ghosting in from the wing, was perfectly placed to deliver one of my favourite kinds of PES goal: the first-timer with placement into the top corner of the net. Players with Del Piero’s technique can produce goals that just feel exquisite.

Link: Gutierrez and Del Piero

It’s all PES2008’s fault 44

Posted on October 16, 2009 by not-Greg

FIFA10 has its own unique ‘feel’, its very own way of doing things, its very own pluses and minuses, and so—undoubtedly—will PES2010. Many football game fans believe that one of them must be bad in order for the other to be good. I strongly disagree with that position. The signs are good for me liking both games, a lot, this year.

All this week I’ve had a new morning routine: a long session of FIFA10, followed by a game or two on the PES2010 demo. I’m really blown away by both games so far this year. It’s a (possible) win-win scenario. The full game of PES2010 has yet to arrive, of course, so I’ll keep the party hats and streamers in the cupboard for now.

I’ve seen the PES2010 reviews. They’re a mixed bunch. I had to smile at the hissing fanboy fights that subsequently broke out across the web. It was carnage in some places. Predictably, FIFA10 was the focus for a lot of the catfighting. It seems that FIFA10 is a pick-up-and-play game for children who like to look at licensed kits. Oh dear. In some places, it’s always 2004.

Sevens and eights out of ten for PES2010 are good scores, actually, but they’re a touch below what I was expecting. I’m only going by my estimation of the demo, which is a high one. I have an optimistic theory. Remember two years ago and those bizarrely great reviews for next-gen PES2008? The after-effects of that scandalous non-performance by the reviewers are being felt to this day. PES has had a rough critical ride ever since.

This was supposed to be the console generation where PES would amaze like the most amazing thing since amazement was born… In other words, PES reviews, weighted down by two years of anti-climax, tend to flatten out and occupy the troughs; FIFA reviews, buoyed by two years of progress and positivity, tend towards the peaks.

That’s my fanwank of the review situation. It’s got the whiff of PES fanboyism about it, but I’m hopeful. I’ve really enjoyed the PES2010 demo. I really believe the PES2010 reviews have got PES2008 at the back of their collective minds.

Meanwhile, back on FIFA10, I am seeing dimensions in the gameplay I never dreamed could exist. I took on Arsenal in a pre-season friendly just this morning. I’m still amost dizzy from the high quality of the gameplay. It ended 1-1 with Arsenal playing a dreamy, total football style. The overall quality of the gameplay I’m seeing in FIFA10 at the moment is of a very, very high quality indeed.

I am still forging ahead with that Manager Mode career. I haven’t gone into detail yet because there’s a patch in the offing that might reset everything to zero. And there’s a PES2010 in the offing as well. Nobody can predict the future. So far—touch wood—I haven’t had a truly show-stopping bug in Manager Mode, and I’m ignoring its other shortcomings for now. I’m pretty much addicted to the FIFA10 gameplay at the moment. It’s great. I can’t get over how great it is.

You know, there are times when FIFA10 utterly amazes me with how heavenly it is. At other times, granted, it’s a button-mashing hell. At the moment for me the split is about 85/15 between heaven/hell. And much like the real heaven and hell, it’s up to me which one I inhabit. Loss of attention leads to button-mashing. Concentration, focus, and patience lead to heaven. This is exactly like the dualistic moral Universe, when you think about it. God must be very happy with FIFA10.

If I had to pick on something to carp at in FIFA10 (and my PES genes insist that I do so, right NOW), I’m very annoyed with the slide tackling. You can make a perfect slide-tackle, but it won’t win you the ball. Oh no. You might think it should, but you would be wrong. Your player will get up and run away from the ball. You only get the loose ball if you’ve got another player close enough to come and collect it before the other team’s player (who, remember, you’ve successfully tackled) gets up and gets to it first. Utterly stupid and wrong and I hate it I hate I hate it.

That and many more on-pitch annoyances will have their equivalents in PES2010. But will they be deemed valid reasons to dismiss PES2010 as a serious football game? Of course not—because PES is all warm and fluffy, and it’s allowed to have stupid moments on the pitch. FIFA is all grey and evil and it isn’t allowed to put a single foot wrong, ever.

The great things in FIFA10 easily outweigh the small things. (For now. Let’s see how I’m liking that slide-tackle thing in January, hmmm…?)

I’ve mentioned the eternal quest for the killer pass in FIFA10. You can pass the ball around for 10, 20, 30 passes, and not spot an opening, or lose the ball and have to defend. Sometimes, though, you do spot the run. It’s a huge element of FIFA10’s core gameplay, this possession, passing, and eagle-eyed spotting thing. Here’s a killer pass in action, which came at the end of a typical FIFA10 extra-long bout of possession:

Link: FIFA10 - the killer pass

Yes, the finish was a FIFA09-style ‘hook shot’ into the opposite side of the goal, with the shooter executing the telltale falling-backwards animation. The great thing here for me was the killer pass. Loved this goal, one of my favourites on FIFA10 so far.

I know: in PES, that’d be a fairly typical moment. Just another through-ball leading to just another typical chance. Nothing special. But that’s precisely what is so special about FIFA10. The mundane has been made marvellous again. PES2010 will have to be a great game to tear me away from FIFA10 at the moment.

The trouble with dribbles 12

Posted on July 06, 2009 by not-Greg

What a weekend that was. The long-awaited first peek at PES2010 appeared in a PSM3 magazine article. It wasn’t the most encouraging article in the world, it has to be said. It kicked off the most intense weekend of activity across the PES forums since… Since last year, actually. Why, PES? Why can things never be simple and straightforward with you any more? Why can’t you just be routinely great every year, as before? Why can’t it just be like 2004 again?

In Wednesday’s post, I’ll kick through the ashes and doubtless end up looking on the bright side. There really is a long way to go before I’m ready to turn my back on new Pro Evolution Soccer games. I still have a crazy hope that just won’t die.

For today, though, it’s a FIFA09 goals post. Perhaps this is very appropriate. If the sum of all fears comes to pass, FIFA and I will be spending a lot of time in one another’s company in the months and years to come.

I’ve assembled three goals from a single session played on Saturday morning in my Manager Mode career. Before I started the session, I’d made up my mind to save every half-decent goal I scored. There were four goals, but I messed up one of the uploads and only saved the celebration and subsequent kick-off. You can see loads of those kinds of cock-ups at any one time on EA Sportsworld. Now I’ve done one too.

(NB: All goals scored using my usual controls set-up, which features semi-assisted shooting.)

First up is a rare dribble. It’s not rare because it’s Maradona-esque (it’s not). The only rare thing about it is that it’s a dribble, by me. Seasoned dribblers may smile indulgently, but this was a different kind of goal for me and I enjoyed it.

I got the ball with Pavlyuchenko and just headed for goal (laying off the sprint button). Big Pav is my favourite striker in either of the next-gen FIFAs. I really rate him. He’s got the lot: strength, height, speed, skill. He’s the Schwarz of FIFA09 for me.

Link: Pavlyuchenko Dribble Goal FIFA09

Next up is a fairly standard shot with my skilful Brazilian midfielder—who goes by the singular name of Joao Luis Locke. This was notable for being outside the box, and being driven quite hard and low. All three (outside of the box, hard, low) are tricky to pull off in FIFA09:

Link: Locke goal FIFA09

And now finally—a goal from ‘me’. Way back in November or thereabouts, I set up a Be A Pro career. I only played a few games of it. The player I created, ‘not-Greg’, was allowed to join Coventry City at the start of this Manager Mode career. ‘I’ have cheerfully played in the first team, in various midfield berths, ever since. I’ve got pretty good too. Arsenal offered to buy me for £4m in the last transfer window.

This season I’ve moved myself back to central midfield after a few seasons out wide. I’ve scored a few goals. This goal was scored from a lay-off from a  free kick. I’ve kind of specialised in these goals over the months of FIFA09:

Link: not-Greg freekick goal

The opponents in that match were Bayern Munich. It was a must-win final group match in the Champions League-equivalent. I won the match 3-0, but got knocked out anyway when the other result didn’t go my way.

I’ll probably only play Manager Mode until I win the Treble—League, Cup, European Cup—with my Coventry City team. I could have a team of galacticos if I wanted them. But I’m sticking with my existing squad. Pavlyuchenko and Bojan up front. Djemba Djemba and ‘not-Greg’ in the centre of midfield. A couple of bog-standard wingers on the flanks. Some journeymen central defenders. Lahm at right back. A 31-year-old Ashley Cole at left back. A good goalkeeper.

That’s the peculiar thing about Manager Mode: the lack of immersion. I’m playing and enjoying Manager Mode, but I don’t really care about my team (Pavlyuchenko excepted). In Master League I’d know all my players’ names. Sitting here now, I can’t remember my Manager Mode goalkeeper’s name, and I’ve had him for a few seasons. He’s pretty good too, a Casillas-type who’s rated 85 overall. Not the tallest, but a great shot-stopper. Manager Mode—and next-gen FIFA—won’t have really, really arrived for me until I know all my players’ names without trying to remember them. FIFA10, I await your pleasure…

We don’t need another Pirlo 11

Posted on June 26, 2009 by not-Greg

I had a long session with the PSP version of PES2008 the other night. What can I say? It was a hot old night, and I didn’t fancy putting my 360 through its paces. The PS3 is a lot happier in the heat, of course, but I can’t face the thought of PES2009 right now. It was nice to just relax with the PSP in my hands, playing a genuinely great game of Pro Evolution Soccer. By the by, I can’t keep saying ‘the PSP version of PES2008′. I’ll be referring to it as PES2008(PSP) from now on.

The year is now 2022 in my Master League career on PES2008(PSP). I have a large squad of 30 players. It’s a squad of uber-galacticos. It’s the most star-studded squad I think I’ve ever had in PES. I’ve got Kaka, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Maldini, Giggs, Lampard, Vieri, Prieto, Bradley, Pirlo, Schwarz, Camacho, Rio Ferdinand, Cech, Buffon, Saviola, Del Piero, Roberto Carlos… These are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head.

I have over 450,000 points in the bank (so I can confirm that you can have more than 99,999 points, oh yes), but no desire to spend any of them. Not with this squad. I was top of the league with four matches left in the 2022 season, and in the final of the Masters Cup.

Valencia were always my strongest challengers in the PES2008(PSP) Master League. They lay in 2nd place, and were my next opponents. Now bear in mind that it’d been about a month since my last game on PES2008(PSP), and I’ve spent most of that month on FIFA09. I thought it was bound to be a bit strange. And it was, at first. I adjusted, and won the match 3-1. And that, I assumed, was that: the title in the bag.

My next match was the final of the Masters Cup against Real Betis. A Regen version of Michael Owen was their lone striker. I won the match easily, 3-0. And then Real Betis were my next opponents in the league. This should have started alarm bells ringing immediately. I lost it 0-1.

My penultimate League opponents were Barcelona, who I’d always found easy prey in PES2008(PSP). Not so now—or was the game up to shenanigans? I had 16 shots on goal and hit the right post, the left post, and the bar, but couldn’t score. Nor could Barca—it ended 0-0. I checked the table heading into my final match against Atletico Madrid and was shocked to find myself in 2nd place with Barcelona top by 2 points. I won the match against Atletico 3-2 (having been down to 10 men), but Barca won their match as well, and took the title.

I wasn’t too downcast. We all know what old-school PES is like. Putting up with bizarre and suspicious turns of events is part of the price of admission. It was an exciting end to the season, and a great way to run my PSP battery all the way down over the space of an hour or so on a hot summer night.

All I can say is, comparing last-gen PES with this-gen PES, where did it all go wrong? And it definitely did go wrong. PES2009 on PS3/360/PC is a decent game, but decent isn’t good enough for PES. If a PES game isn’t great, it’s a failure as a PES game. Good simply isn’t good enough.

What happened to the magic formula? I think they dumbed it down. I think they tried to give PES a bit more of a mass-market appeal. They tried to pinch some of old FIFA’s territory, and things spectacularly backfired. The strategy blew up in their faces—and, sadly, in ours.

Today’s playtest of PES2010 by WENB, PESfan, and selected others is welcome news. It’s unfortunate that the playtest will be wrapped in the swaddling clothes of Non-Disclosure Agreements. We might as well not know that it’s even happening.

Possibly some hints will leak out, though. If PES2010 is a great game, if it’s the major step up that we were all anticipating two years ago, then I don’t think some of the participants will be able to contain their excitement. On the other hand, if PES2010 is, like PES2009, just a good game—just PES2009 with better graphics and a few extra animations—their reactions will be more muted, more controlled, more in the “it was an early build” kind of territory. It’ll be interesting to see how it all plays out over the weekend.

Of course, they might say nothing at all. Konami will be watching to make sure the NDAs are respected. That’s fair enough. So it may be a few weeks before we know for certain.

For me, PES2010 is the burning question of the summer and of the entire gaming year so far. It’s the franchise’s last chance. It’s now or never. Nothing, and I mean nothing, would give me greater pleasure this year than hearing PES2010 really is a step-change for PES in this generation.

That’s the dream, anyway. And it could happen. Will it happen?

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