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	<title>Comments on: He gets the ball, he scores a goal</title>
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		<title>By: not-Greg</title>
		<link>http://peschronicles.co.uk/2008/06/06/he-gets-the-ball-he-scores-a-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1606</link>
		<dc:creator>not-Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paww - I don't think there's a deflection. The odd flight of the ball is possibly related to the goal's scripted nature, speaking of which...

Adriano - Of course, yes, it's a totally scripted, un-defendable goal! I had a big long moan about it all ready to publish, but decided to just leave it as-is and see what people made of it.

I was really angry about the goal when it went in. I suppose I could have had a defender standing in front of the scissors-kicker, but what was I supposed to do---psychically foresee that the CPU was about to attempt this? 

Scripting's apologists (they exist) would contend that in this instance the game is only reproducing an element of real-life football---moments of individual inspiration and brilliance that really can't be defended against. In that sense this solitary example of scripting is justified. But when it comes in the context of an Artificial Intelligence in full-on God Mode that's blatantly massaging the gameplay to its own end, it doesn't sit well with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paww - I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a deflection. The odd flight of the ball is possibly related to the goal&#8217;s scripted nature, speaking of which&#8230;</p>
<p>Adriano - Of course, yes, it&#8217;s a totally scripted, un-defendable goal! I had a big long moan about it all ready to publish, but decided to just leave it as-is and see what people made of it.</p>
<p>I was really angry about the goal when it went in. I suppose I could have had a defender standing in front of the scissors-kicker, but what was I supposed to do&#8212;psychically foresee that the CPU was about to attempt this? </p>
<p>Scripting&#8217;s apologists (they exist) would contend that in this instance the game is only reproducing an element of real-life football&#8212;moments of individual inspiration and brilliance that really can&#8217;t be defended against. In that sense this solitary example of scripting is justified. But when it comes in the context of an Artificial Intelligence in full-on God Mode that&#8217;s blatantly massaging the gameplay to its own end, it doesn&#8217;t sit well with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Adriano</title>
		<link>http://peschronicles.co.uk/2008/06/06/he-gets-the-ball-he-scores-a-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1602</link>
		<dc:creator>Adriano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: that goal - Seabass is joking, right? He must be reading your blog and laughing his script-enforcing ass right off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: that goal - Seabass is joking, right? He must be reading your blog and laughing his script-enforcing ass right off.</p>
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		<title>By: Paww</title>
		<link>http://peschronicles.co.uk/2008/06/06/he-gets-the-ball-he-scores-a-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1600</link>
		<dc:creator>Paww</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the goal come off a defender heads? Looks like it moves away from the keeper after it goes 'past (or hits)' the defenders. Still a nice goal, personally my favourite type atm are the ones where you burst past the defenders beating the offside trap and ping them past the keeper as they come off the post and in. For some reason that sort of goal instantly makes me think of Torres irl. Strange, I guess you'll be the answer of that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the goal come off a defender heads? Looks like it moves away from the keeper after it goes &#8216;past (or hits)&#8217; the defenders. Still a nice goal, personally my favourite type atm are the ones where you burst past the defenders beating the offside trap and ping them past the keeper as they come off the post and in. For some reason that sort of goal instantly makes me think of Torres irl. Strange, I guess you&#8217;ll be the answer of that!</p>
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		<title>By: not-Greg</title>
		<link>http://peschronicles.co.uk/2008/06/06/he-gets-the-ball-he-scores-a-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1598</link>
		<dc:creator>not-Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not Given - I hear you about the AI not knowing the second leg is the second leg... It's a glaring fault in PES that they haven't rectified for X number of years now. Bloody annoying, and it did affect me in the second leg, but all will be revealed tomorrow.

PES6 suffered for me because I got my PS3 partway through the 'PES6 year' and I was aching for next-gen football, but only had PES6, so whenever I played it on my PS3 I did so in a bad mood. Still a great game, though. The conventional wisdom says that it was/is the best-ever PS2-era PES game. For me that award would go to PES5. PES6 would be second. Maybe PES2008 (PSP/PS2 of course) would be 3rd or 4th.

heraldo - Good point about Andy Cole's early development, that hadn't occurred to me. I still have Henrik in my squad and I'll be watching to see if he starts being great in his late 20s, and if Cole starts to dip.

The PSP is a weird one. You look at the press it gets and it's just about the most negative, derogatory press that any console gets. Every PSP games review absolutely has to contain a whinge about the PSP not having any good games. That's rubbish, of course, but it's become one of those things that everybody says and which is believed to be true because everybody says it. As soon as I see a games journo spouting off about it, I instantly take nothing else he/she says seriously. 

Anyway... (strange rant there!) yes, my point about PES2008 on the PSP is that I'm a PSP-lover and maybe because I've spent so long playing on it (various games) I've grown adapted to the buttons, and the analogue nub, etc.? I'm also pretty motivated to play PES on it because - yes, here we go again - PES was one of the reasons I got a PSP in the first place. Little did I know I'd have to wait 3 years for a decent version on the handheld. I just hope the same doesn't go for the PS3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not Given - I hear you about the AI not knowing the second leg is the second leg&#8230; It&#8217;s a glaring fault in PES that they haven&#8217;t rectified for X number of years now. Bloody annoying, and it did affect me in the second leg, but all will be revealed tomorrow.</p>
<p>PES6 suffered for me because I got my PS3 partway through the &#8216;PES6 year&#8217; and I was aching for next-gen football, but only had PES6, so whenever I played it on my PS3 I did so in a bad mood. Still a great game, though. The conventional wisdom says that it was/is the best-ever PS2-era PES game. For me that award would go to PES5. PES6 would be second. Maybe PES2008 (PSP/PS2 of course) would be 3rd or 4th.</p>
<p>heraldo - Good point about Andy Cole&#8217;s early development, that hadn&#8217;t occurred to me. I still have Henrik in my squad and I&#8217;ll be watching to see if he starts being great in his late 20s, and if Cole starts to dip.</p>
<p>The PSP is a weird one. You look at the press it gets and it&#8217;s just about the most negative, derogatory press that any console gets. Every PSP games review absolutely has to contain a whinge about the PSP not having any good games. That&#8217;s rubbish, of course, but it&#8217;s become one of those things that everybody says and which is believed to be true because everybody says it. As soon as I see a games journo spouting off about it, I instantly take nothing else he/she says seriously. </p>
<p>Anyway&#8230; (strange rant there!) yes, my point about PES2008 on the PSP is that I&#8217;m a PSP-lover and maybe because I&#8217;ve spent so long playing on it (various games) I&#8217;ve grown adapted to the buttons, and the analogue nub, etc.? I&#8217;m also pretty motivated to play PES on it because - yes, here we go again - PES was one of the reasons I got a PSP in the first place. Little did I know I&#8217;d have to wait 3 years for a decent version on the handheld. I just hope the same doesn&#8217;t go for the PS3.</p>
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		<title>By: heraldo</title>
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		<dc:creator>heraldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy Cole who I got at the same time as Henrik Larsson, this is where Konami have got the player development correct with re-GEN's.  

Andy Cole is way above Henrik in development, both are 20 in my game.  Cole was a prolific scorer with Newcastle from a young age, and Henrik never really discovered his potential until he signed for Celtic at 25.  I looked at his growth development chart and this is when his starts are going to catch up, and will prolong into his mid 30's.

On player development which you spoke about the other day, all my players who I play regularly are above the projected growth.  I wonder if this will continue, or they peak at a certain point.  I will keep an eye on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy Cole who I got at the same time as Henrik Larsson, this is where Konami have got the player development correct with re-GEN&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>Andy Cole is way above Henrik in development, both are 20 in my game.  Cole was a prolific scorer with Newcastle from a young age, and Henrik never really discovered his potential until he signed for Celtic at 25.  I looked at his growth development chart and this is when his starts are going to catch up, and will prolong into his mid 30&#8217;s.</p>
<p>On player development which you spoke about the other day, all my players who I play regularly are above the projected growth.  I wonder if this will continue, or they peak at a certain point.  I will keep an eye on it.</p>
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