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	<title>Comments on: A guilt-edged chance goes begging</title>
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	<description>...and FIFA Chronicles too</description>
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		<title>By: not-Greg</title>
		<link>http://peschronicles.co.uk/2008/04/13/a-guilt-edged-chance-goes-begging/#comment-1035</link>
		<dc:creator>not-Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh, the beautiful slim new PS2. What an incredible piece of kit the PS2 was/is. I just wanted to say that. I got my PS2--an old-fashioned 'fatty' that can be stood on its end---in 2002 and it was still working fine when I 'retired' it in the middle of last year. And no---I will never part with it! Not only is it useful insurance should my PS3 ever go on the fritz, but it's got incredible sentimental value for me. God knows how many 1000s of hours I've spent on that machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, the beautiful slim new PS2. What an incredible piece of kit the PS2 was/is. I just wanted to say that. I got my PS2&#8211;an old-fashioned &#8216;fatty&#8217; that can be stood on its end&#8212;in 2002 and it was still working fine when I &#8216;retired&#8217; it in the middle of last year. And no&#8212;I will never part with it! Not only is it useful insurance should my PS3 ever go on the fritz, but it&#8217;s got incredible sentimental value for me. God knows how many 1000s of hours I&#8217;ve spent on that machine.</p>
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		<title>By: cklarock</title>
		<link>http://peschronicles.co.uk/2008/04/13/a-guilt-edged-chance-goes-begging/#comment-1033</link>
		<dc:creator>cklarock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my PS2:

http://fp.scea.com/Content/consoles/3/info/images/PS2New_l.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my PS2:</p>
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		<title>By: cklarock</title>
		<link>http://peschronicles.co.uk/2008/04/13/a-guilt-edged-chance-goes-begging/#comment-1032</link>
		<dc:creator>cklarock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know why it won't work.  I was playing it (using a tool that lets me basically hack around the region coding), pulled it out to watch a movie, put it back in and now my PS2 tells me it's not a PS2 game disc!  I think it may be scratched and some critical signifier is lost?  I don't know, really.

Option files don't transfer between the two games.  They're essentially the same, so again, I'm not sure why it works this way, but US PES won't recognize European Option Files.  Further, there is no desktop software editor for the US version the way there is for the Euro version, so creating one is a loooong, laborious process.

I have this PS2: 



So it's flat the whole time.

I'm sure you remember the saga with this game that I went through this Christmas -- I could always just bite the bullet and order another Euro verison, but with the dollar so weak against the Euro and shipping costs so high, it'd be like paying $70.00 or $80.00 for a $29.95 game.

In the interim, I'm back to PES 2007, and I have to say it's still really good.  It's funny how the  little things you can get away with change.  Wingers in 2008 are king, but in 2007, it's all about the strong CF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why it won&#8217;t work.  I was playing it (using a tool that lets me basically hack around the region coding), pulled it out to watch a movie, put it back in and now my PS2 tells me it&#8217;s not a PS2 game disc!  I think it may be scratched and some critical signifier is lost?  I don&#8217;t know, really.</p>
<p>Option files don&#8217;t transfer between the two games.  They&#8217;re essentially the same, so again, I&#8217;m not sure why it works this way, but US PES won&#8217;t recognize European Option Files.  Further, there is no desktop software editor for the US version the way there is for the Euro version, so creating one is a loooong, laborious process.</p>
<p>I have this PS2: </p>
<p>So it&#8217;s flat the whole time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you remember the saga with this game that I went through this Christmas &#8212; I could always just bite the bullet and order another Euro verison, but with the dollar so weak against the Euro and shipping costs so high, it&#8217;d be like paying $70.00 or $80.00 for a $29.95 game.</p>
<p>In the interim, I&#8217;m back to PES 2007, and I have to say it&#8217;s still really good.  It&#8217;s funny how the  little things you can get away with change.  Wingers in 2008 are king, but in 2007, it&#8217;s all about the strong CF.</p>
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		<title>By: not-Greg</title>
		<link>http://peschronicles.co.uk/2008/04/13/a-guilt-edged-chance-goes-begging/#comment-1030</link>
		<dc:creator>not-Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ck---the UEFA2008 demo is probably an early taste of where FIFA09 is roughly going to land. There are still loads of problems with it---I will never like the shooting, I think---but the speed issue that alienated so many has been addressed.

That's terrible news about your Euro PES2008 - why won't the OF files etc. work on a US edition? And have you tried playing the disc with your PS2 standing on its side/laid flat yet?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ck&#8212;the UEFA2008 demo is probably an early taste of where FIFA09 is roughly going to land. There are still loads of problems with it&#8212;I will never like the shooting, I think&#8212;but the speed issue that alienated so many has been addressed.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s terrible news about your Euro PES2008 - why won&#8217;t the OF files etc. work on a US edition? And have you tried playing the disc with your PS2 standing on its side/laid flat yet?!</p>
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		<title>By: cklarock</title>
		<link>http://peschronicles.co.uk/2008/04/13/a-guilt-edged-chance-goes-begging/#comment-1029</link>
		<dc:creator>cklarock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I don't mean to dismiss FIFA08 out of hand-- I played it and enjoyed it, but ultimately, the magic wasn't there for me.  

That said, I do have more hope for the FIFA franchise than I do for PES going forward.  I think FIFA have demonstrated that they're going to put resources toward building the first legendary next-gen football game.  I tend to believe that the team at FIFA look closely at the PES play experience, and will try to cull the best parts from it.  For me, I hope that includes a robust editor.  In fact, there's no reason they can't outdo PES in this regard, save that with their licenses they may feel there's no need.  Hopefully, their game-theorist PhDs will explain the psychology of the creative fan to them.  :)

PES, on the other hand, hasn't shown me that they are in touch with their market -- this would be somewhat typical, as the Japanese gaming industry tends toward the insular.  I wouldn't expect criticism from the fan-base to mean much, until such a point when we stop buying PES, and their numbers plummet.  By that point, it may be too late to stop the rot.

Of course, none of that detracts from the fact that last-gen PES was a fabulous franchise, and PES 2008 for the PS2 really is a work of beauty.  Seabass and Co. (curse them) understood the platform and  made a great game on it.  

But alas!  My copy from Europe just died (as in, won't play at all), and there are no Option Files for the American version -- and no software for editing them that works, either.  To be honest, an un-patched PES 2008 with the dumb names and all-caps text (which genius thought that up?) is unplayable for me.  I'm spoiled by my Euro copy with a round dozen good OFs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I don&#8217;t mean to dismiss FIFA08 out of hand&#8211; I played it and enjoyed it, but ultimately, the magic wasn&#8217;t there for me.  </p>
<p>That said, I do have more hope for the FIFA franchise than I do for PES going forward.  I think FIFA have demonstrated that they&#8217;re going to put resources toward building the first legendary next-gen football game.  I tend to believe that the team at FIFA look closely at the PES play experience, and will try to cull the best parts from it.  For me, I hope that includes a robust editor.  In fact, there&#8217;s no reason they can&#8217;t outdo PES in this regard, save that with their licenses they may feel there&#8217;s no need.  Hopefully, their game-theorist PhDs will explain the psychology of the creative fan to them.  <img src='http://peschronicles.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>PES, on the other hand, hasn&#8217;t shown me that they are in touch with their market &#8212; this would be somewhat typical, as the Japanese gaming industry tends toward the insular.  I wouldn&#8217;t expect criticism from the fan-base to mean much, until such a point when we stop buying PES, and their numbers plummet.  By that point, it may be too late to stop the rot.</p>
<p>Of course, none of that detracts from the fact that last-gen PES was a fabulous franchise, and PES 2008 for the PS2 really is a work of beauty.  Seabass and Co. (curse them) understood the platform and  made a great game on it.  </p>
<p>But alas!  My copy from Europe just died (as in, won&#8217;t play at all), and there are no Option Files for the American version &#8212; and no software for editing them that works, either.  To be honest, an un-patched PES 2008 with the dumb names and all-caps text (which genius thought that up?) is unplayable for me.  I&#8217;m spoiled by my Euro copy with a round dozen good OFs.</p>
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