It’s not just the players that are different between next-gen and last-gen, of course—the whole game, the passing, the shooting, the rhythms and patterns, are all completely different. Only the names are the same. I think this is something I didn’t fully appreciate until I actually played the PSP/PS2 version. Until then I’d had the vague idea that they were the same game with different qualities of graphics. But no, they’re utterly different.

Also on the attacking-front; I have my DMF scoring alot of the time, most notibly when I have had long-time pressure in my oppopents half, so it’s worth having someone who can finish here - Cesc and Essien both can for example.

I’m surprised the players are different between consoles though! This is one things Konami could have kept the same and it’s mind boggling the differences they have introduced between console versions - for example there are more stadiums on the PS2 version isn’t there? What are they thinking?

Adriano/Mirandinha—that’s what I was trying to say: that Camacho can be a great DMF in the Bradley mould, but he has attacking attributes that Bradley doesn’t have and would be relatively wasted as a DMF. Bradley, on the other hand, is a kind of tank in the DMF role, he was born to the DMF role and would be misused anywhere else. It’s nearly official, for me anyway: Bradley is the best PES DMF ever.

BUT - and this is very important - trojanfoe is on the PS3 version, where Bradley is nowhere near being the immense player that he is on the PSP/PS2 version. On the PS3 Bradley is good, but he doesn’t stand out in quite the same way. It’s arguable that fully-developed PS3 Camacho is a better DMF than fully-developed PS3 Bradley. Their PSP/PS2 couterparts are vastly different players in a vastly different game.