Never say never again
Posted by: Greg Downs in Bolton, Man City, Schwarz, Sunderland, goal replay, relegation battle, tags: goal replay, Schwarz, SunderlandAfter shaking off the glee of winning the Division 1 Cup in style, it was back to the main business: surviving the drop back down to Division 2.
The feeling going into the last three games was uncomfortably like the feeling I used to have in April and May of every year when the real Coventry City were in the old English Division 1/Premier League. Every year we flirted with disaster, but somehow miraculously survived. It was an annual game of Russian Roulette that we eventually lost.
Was history about to reproduce itself in my PES2008 Master League? If so, how would I handle it? Could I even accept it? As this is a video game, I wouldn’t have to accept it.

I’ll make a confession here. If I got relegated, I could always reload an earlier save and play the game(s) again. I gave serious thought to how I would feel about that. There’d be nothing to stop me. I never play with the anti-cheat autosave function switched on - I usually don’t need to, as I never reload under any circumstances (system crashes and freezes excepted, of course; I’ve yet to have one on the PS3).
I’m the kind of gamer who thinks there’s no point in playing a game unless you can accept the outcome, whatever it is. Reloading in any game smacks to me of cheating - you’re just cheating yourself out of the whole experience. If gaming is to be more like life, then do-overs are not allowed. No one would ever know if I reloaded. But I would know, and that knowledge would be enough to spoil my entire ML career.
So I decided that I had to simply take the results, whatever happened. I took a deep breath and got down to business.
I don’t think I have ever been more focused on any match in PES than I was for the first of the three fixtures. It was against Bolton Wanderers. I was able to select most of the new improved First XI. Reyes was unfit, so I brought in Frutos and stuck him in the middle. Schwarz moved left. Bramble was also unfit for the game and was replaced by Mattsson, who has slowly matured into a really, really useful, and above all strong CB.
After kick-off, somehow I knew that I was going to be all right. PES is like that sometimes. Within a few seconds of the opening, you know from the way the CPU players are playing, and how your own players are playing, whether this game is likely to go your way or not. Call it PES paranoia, but that feeling most often steals over you when the game seems destined to go against you. When you get the opposite feeling, well, suddenly it’s like being Brazil.
Only ten minutes or so into the game, Schwarz and Frutos linked up:
A flood of relief. The way the league table was looking pre-game, I knew that winning this one could make me mathematically safe.
I played on, doing well just as in the Cup Final, snuffing out everything in the centre with Muntari and Felipe and Mattsson, and probing dangerously with my midfield and front threes. Djiba was immense. He really has been a revelation over the last couple of matches.
Just after half-time I scored another, making it 2-0 to me. Felipe got it from a corner. The game went on, with Bolton suddenly in God Mode. They didn’t get past me, but they were threatening to… My spider sense tingled. A CPU goal was in the wind. It’s the usual PES2008 scenario, unfortunately. The game just loves to set up an ‘exciting’ last ten minutes. The game’s programmers must think that last-minute equalisers and winners are the norm in football rather than the exception.
I needed a third goal to really kill off the game. Then I got it. I went on a mazy run with Djiba(!), but lost the ball in the penalty box as the keeper advanced. Chiesa, on as a substitute, picked up the loose ball. The keeper was off his line…
3-0 to me. How sweet it was. After the final whistle I hurried to check the league table.
I was almost safe. At the very bottom, Celtic and then Copenhagen were a long way behind - both teams were relegated a long time ago. Manchester City in 18th were on 33 points. I was on 38 points. I would have to lose both remaining games, and Man City would have to win theirs, to be relegated now. Not very likely, but you never knew.
Next up in the penultimate game of the season was Sunderland - my bogey team for the past four seasons. I’ve never beaten them or even had a good game against them. This time was no different. I went behind early on as Sunderland once again walked the ball through my defence. In trying my utmost to get back into the game, I went back to my bad old ways. I had Bramble and Traore sent off. The game finished 3-0 to Sunderland. I was furious - with myself, with Sunderland, with life.
But when I checked the table, I saw that Manchester City had lost. I was still 5 points clear of the dropzone. There was only one game left in the season. I was safe.
The final game of the season against Tottneham was anything but meaningless. Thanks to the Cup run I’ve seen my Team Ranking go from just-about-D to nearly-C… This affects what kinds of players you can bid for in negotiations. After the defeat to Sunderland it had slipped back a notch, but not too much. One more win, I thought…
I did win it. I won 2-0, and scored this goal with Djiba:
That was his first for the team. He’s the man of the moment all right.
My Team Ranking increased another notch, but is frustratingly still a hair’s-breadth short of the threshold leading to a ‘C’ rating. I’ve set up a couple of pre-season friendlies that will hopefully carry me over the line and make negotiations slightly easier.

So that was the end of the season. I finished in a reasonably healthy 14th position in the end. I survived to fight in Division 1 another day, but it was close for a long time there.
Season 2011 will be different, I think. Battling relegation has been intense and very Coventry City-like, but actually being relegated would have been no fun at all. And it could have happened.
They say (whoever they are) that you should never say ‘never again’. But I’ll say it anyway: never again.
Final Position: 14th (41 points)
Won: 10 Drew: 11 Lost: 17
Goals scored: 38 Goals conceded: 51 Goal difference: -13
Yellow Cards: 43 Red Cards: 31 (!)

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*whew*
It really is like Coventry City. Now you have a chance to right all those bad memories and turn the ship around. You’ve hung in there, and with the right additions to the squad, next season you could be competing for Europe.
Any thoughts as to what kind of a player you need?
So update us about your off-season negotiations and games already! lol
ive been looking around the pesfan forums, and i found this O + R2 long-shot technique. Ill try it out next time i play PES, but have a good yourself if you fancy it lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlLkBSuaKN4
have a go* i meant to say, I cant edit on here lol
Well done mate on surviving.
Played some more games in my second season, might of finnally got the knack of scoring again (Has been my downfall, last season I scored 11 goals all season, managed to do that in my last 12 games alone happily!)
Anyway, thats a shocking amount of red cards in a season! I’ve been averaging about a yellow card every 2nd game now I’ve realised that slide tackling is pretty futile unless their bombing down the wing.
I’ll be very interested to see who you sign for the next season, and good luck in advance. Hopefully you can get at close to a european slot.
Thanks all, and now that I’ve caught up with myself it’ll be back to one post per day most days.
ck - I’m going for Midfielders with high Body Balance and Stamina, Middle Shooting, 19-26 yrs old. Think I’ll pick up a keeper to replace Ivarov. A few better strikers wouldn’t hurt either.
David - there were posts on PESfan about the R2+O shot from the halfway line even before the game came out! Apparently it does work and is going to cause unhappiness online. I tried it out for myself - you need a player with superb stats to make it happen from what I can tell. Got 1 attempt out of 7 or so (with Gerrard in an International Tournament game).
Paul - the red cards I picked up in season 2010 were just amazing and shocking. I haven’t learned how to defend properly yet. (See the goals against column.) And there were I think 3 games in total where I first had two or three sent off and then just lost my rag with the game completely, and deliberately got another couple sent off and the game abandoned. Naughty of me I know but the game has wound me up more this season than any other.
Ahh, well when I got that angry at the game I just started an exbition game and just fouled the crap out of the other team all game, found that a good way.
My goals against is 2/1 (i.e. for every goal I score I conceed 2) still finding it hard to stop my defence being split down the middle. :s
Looking forward to the next blog.
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I have a very unhealthy habit of restarting whenever the scripting gets VERY heavy. Yes, I know, it’s cheating, but I’d rather start again than poison myself with hate. Today I was playing against Monaco when their striker came walking past my defenders like they were not there, and even the vicious slide-tackle I gave as a last resource went right through his legs AND the ball. As the piece de resistance, I brought out my keeper to close him down. He shot, the keeper stopped it but couldn’t hold on to the ball, so it, of course, bounced back to the striker’s feet even though there were already a multitude of defenders surrounding him. Another shot, another save, the ball went back to the striker. Another shot, another save, the ball went back to the striker, and he finally managed to slot it in with a low shot that went past my keeper and four defenders that were standing between him and the goal. Notice the fact that it happened three times in quick succession, and the ball went straight back to the opposition’s only player in my box, even though I had plenty of defenders around, and the keeper could have either held on to the ball or bounced it outside, but, alas, the COMP just had to score at that time, so nothing could prevent it. When stuff like that happens, I don’t even wait for the ball to cross the goalline, I hit start and then return to top menu. This game is really making me age.
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